Halodrol? - Personal Trainer Community - Forum

[SteveyG]

Has anyone taken or researched Halodrol?

It is available at GNC yet its a pro-hormone... I understand Halodrol-50 was the first version but the FDA put a ban on it so they put half the dose in one liquigel to make it legal to sell over the counter.

I am interested in taking this... but I'd like to hear some feedback on it.

I am also aware that when taking Halodrol I must maintain a heavy protein diet, take milk thistle for my liver, papaya enzyme for my digestive system, muscle milk's new formula with more fiber, multi vitamins and after 4 weeks I should take a test booster like Armitest or Novadex to level myself back out. I also must stop using Halodrol after 6 weeks. Is there anything I'm missing?

[freetimefitness]

Never heard of it! just read some articles on all the gains people have got...... but in the long term whats it gonna do to you? this supplement needs loads of other supplements to support the liver and digestion, I'm just wondering if its worth all the expense and possible risks to your body.

I'd be interested to know more though so I'm gonna watch this thread...


Tom

[Joe Cannon MS CSCS]

In 2005, The Washington Post commissioned a lab analysis of Halodrol-50 and found it had 2 anabolic steroids (madol and a steroid similar to turinabol)
I dont know how old you are or your background but one of the side effects of testosterone is to stop growth in bones. so if your not stop growing, steroids might do that faster than normal. also when you take a steroid, you stop making it to keep the status quo.

its possible that the product may elevate liver enzymes and thats probably why you are taking over supplements. honestly I just would not use the supplement and save yourself money.

steroids work apparently buy ramping up protein synthesis in type II fibers and decreasing protein breakdown in type I fibers. you did not define what you meant by a "heavy protein diet". the research shows that for most people, 0.6 -.09 g/pound should be enough to stimulate muscle protein synthesis. if your eating more than this then I'm not sure. protein over taxing your kidneys and liver is a side effect thats not really supported in the research but if your taking tons of protein plus the steroids plus some of that other stuff, this is definitely possible.
I hope some of this helps
Joe

[freetimefitness]

Sounds like a lot of risks for not much gain to me.....

[SteveyG]

I'm done growing. I'm 25.

So if I where to take in 1.8g of protein per lb a day plus the steroid I would be risking immediate damage or long term damage?

From what I read 6 weeks is enough to get a decent 10-15 lb increase of solid muscle mass. I wouldn't need anymore after that and I would raise my test levels back to normal using Gaspari's Novadex. I never believed in quick gains and always stayed away from a large supplament diet. My old fashioned way would have been Muscle Milk and Ester-Ethyl Creatine + Multis.

A friend of mine just suggested an all L-Arginine pill you take as pre-work out pump.

[Christina]

Stevey,

I'm curious... what recommendations would you give to a client who came to you wanting to add muscle?

Christina

[SteveyG]

This is how I would do it without supplaments. (I don't want you to think I advocate steroids or hormones without any knowledge of general fitness.. I just recently got interested in them.)

If mass is what you are looking for than the effort you put into your diet will be significantly more than the work out. I would suggest to just about anyone to train themselves to eat around a specific schedule. Try to eat 6 - 8 meals a day. Not small meals but not large meals. Your largest meal would be breakfast where you take in the most carbs. I would also suggest that you monitor your protein intake and try to shoot for 1.5g of protein per lb you weigh. I would say to stick to these basic foods: grilled chicken, whole grain or whole wheat breads and pasta, brown rice, low sodium turkey breast, low fat swiss, tuna fish, almond butter, peanut butter, steak(cut off fat), burger patties, salmon, skim milk, water, cranberry juice. Make sure to be conscious of choleserol content, stay away from sodium, caffeine, high fat content and high sugar content.

I would say to train 4 - 5 days per week. Combine muscle groups and do more sets with less reps. Generally 3 or 4 sets of 8 - 10 reps. Rest about a minute in between each set. I would pyramid the weight so to combine strength and endurance. Never fully max out on weight. Stay within 65 - 85% of max. You should keep track of how much your doing and raise the weight if it gets easier. Always warm up a good 5-10 minutes before lifting and then do the most complex exercise first (one that requires the most amount of muscle groups - i.e. bench press, dead lift, squat) Then concentrate on more specific targeted muscle exercises. Cool down stretch and hit the abs at least 3 times a week.

I could probably go on and on but if someone wanted quick general info I could give them this run-down rather quickly.

[jlling]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or if i missed the memo on this, and I don't want to sound like I'm hiding behind my degree (its not a masters or anything)

But from what all my professors have said (including the Exercise Physiology professor) 1g protein/kg is enough for muscle synthesis, with upwards of 1.2g/kg for an elite level trained athlete. While there hasn't been a study that showed that a high level of protein intake would cause kidney damage in healthy individuals, there have been studies that show that a high protein diet for those with compromised kidney function will exacerbate the condition. Given that 2.24lb is 1kg, your recommendation is more than double the recommended intake by the FDA and pretty much every institution that certifies personal trainers. So I'm just wondering where you got your information.

Again, if I missed the boat somewhere, someone correct me.

[Joe Cannon MS CSCS]

steve your confusing pounds with kilgrams. 1.8 g/ pound is TOO MUCH!
Johathan. what you say is correct but the "optimal" amount of protein for exercise is not known. while 1 g/kg which is just slightly above the RDA may work for many people it may not be enough for people involved in heavy resistance training (that being said, they also only need a wee bit more than this according to research). that's why we usually give a range or protein for exercise as opposed to a fixed amount.
Here is a good review of protein
International journal of sports nutrition and exercise metabolism, 17,S58-S76
Philips SM et al (2007). Critical examination of dietary protein requirements benefits and excess in athletes

Here is a link also to the article I wrote on supplements thats in this months Fitness Management I discuss some protein issues in this piece. http://fitnessmanagement.com/article...2471&zoneid=50
Joe

[megfit]

Yes, I'll pipe in here, too. The issue is that many trainers, who really don't understand the physiology of nutrition recommend much higher amounts of protein than is necessary. This is a result of the body builder magazines that promote high protein intake and protein supplements and tradition that has grown some of these myths into what trainers believe is fact.

The body can only assimilate so much protein intake. The excess turns into 'storage fuel'... which is fat, folks. There is also some truth to the fact that an excessive protein load on the kidneys can potentially do some damage, but it's probably not as common as some studies would have you think. However, if you had a person eating an excessive amount of protein and not drinking enough fluid, yea, you could end up doing permanent damage. Would be a real shame to end up on dialysis because of such a preventable issue...

It's not protein that helps build muscle with exercise, it's adequate total calories. An excellent resource, that actually has ACCURATE information on weight training and nutrition is www.powereating.com or the book "Power Eating", by Susan Kleiner.

Margie